Feature suggestions for the Matches page

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Feature suggestions for the Matches page
« on March 15th, 2017, 12:11 AM »Last edited on March 15th, 2017, 12:23 AM
Most of these are probably absolutely no priority right now, but as this is the page I tend to use most, I figured I'd make a thread about it and start off with some suggestions I had in mind.

Really useful (from my perspective)
- Being able to filter or sort by how new the user is to the site would be very useful. Probably some other sorting options could be very useful. I'd use this to see matches with new / recently returned people as it's not much use having the same people pop up continually. On Barter new / recently returned users are not that easy to find.
- I'd like an option to only do matches for games on my wishlist that do / don't have a certain tag. In example: I want to do a match for all games that are NOT tagged "extra" on my wishlist. Another use for this would be to in example match for games I have tagged as "highly ranked" on my wishlist. Multiple tags would be even nicer ofcourse ;-).
- An option to hide non-game items like keys / cards / maybe DLC, etcetera in matches.
- Immediately initiate an offer from the match page (in a new tab). Minimizing the number of clicks needed.

Moderately useful
- Showing previously sent offers on the match page like on Barter.
- An option to limit the number of matches shown on one of the side's. I have a few people that have like 300 from my tradeables on their wishlist; that's quite annoying to scroll through ;-).
- Show the tag the user has given to the tradeable / wishlist item. For instance if a wishlist item is highly ranked, it'd be useful to see that on the matches page.
- Maybe sorting the tradeables on each side? Personally I'd like these to be sorted by rarity (H:W ratio), with the rarest at the top.
- Allowing a bit more metadata of the tradeable; for instance how often it was bundled, possibly H:W ratio. Now I often start an offer and add a few tradeables to get a reminder of whether it'd be a fair offer.

Minor suggestions
- Instead of 'unfolding inactive's' just have that checkbox not show them at all.
- The option to group users and then only match with those groups of user was an interesting feature. If revived, I'd highly recommend allowing custom tags instead so you can make as many groups as you like.
- The barter page is much easier on my eyes / the buttons / games are much clearer in terms of visual acuity (in my opinion). Maybe see if someone is interested in making a really good style sheet for lestrades?
- Matching for all unowned games (useful for collectors ;-)).

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Re: Feature suggestions for the Matches page
« Reply #1, on March 15th, 2017, 08:47 AM »Last edited on March 15th, 2017, 08:49 AM
The thing I kind of don't like about filtering new users is I think it will open up a lot of inexperienced traders to getting swindled. But if it was added to the site, I think a tagging system for users would work well. There could be an automatic "new user" tag that would last until a certain amount of trades were completed. I guess it could give the newbs some leeway and help them get flamed less when making bad offers. This would also bring back the grouping feature in way.

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Re: Feature suggestions for the Matches page
« Reply #2, on March 16th, 2017, 12:48 AM »
Quote from Keyser Soze on March 15th, 2017, 08:47 AM
The thing I kind of don't like about filtering new users is I think it will open up a lot of inexperienced traders to getting swindled. But if it was added to the site, I think a tagging system for users would work well. There could be an automatic "new user" tag that would last until a certain amount of trades were completed. I guess it could give the newbs some leeway and help them get flamed less when making bad offers. This would also bring back the grouping feature in way.
Tagging new users is not a bad idea. I had a similar idea, but implementing ranks. The more you trade, the more you progress. Just like it happens in forums and on ebay. You could have symbols to indicate your progress.
It doesn't give you any special advantage over the others, but people would be able to know if you are new to trading and also if you are trustable based on the rank.

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Re: Feature suggestions for the Matches page
« Reply #3, on March 16th, 2017, 01:14 AM »Last edited on March 16th, 2017, 01:40 AM
Quote from Keyser Soze on March 15th, 2017, 08:47 AM
The thing I kind of don't like about filtering new users is I think it will open up a lot of inexperienced traders to getting swindled. But if it was added to the site, I think a tagging system for users would work well. There could be an automatic "new user" tag that would last until a certain amount of trades were completed. I guess it could give the newbs some leeway and help them get flamed less when making bad offers. This would also bring back the grouping feature in way.
I feel this should be solved by providing new traders information about how to value trade offers, including a reference to that a lot of people trade primarily to sell items on grey market sites. Personally I wouldn't mind if i.e. by default a warning was shown to new traders that it can be useful to price check offers on sites like ITAD & G2A before accepting an offer.

Which would allow the matches page to still be sortable by new traders ;-).

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Re: Feature suggestions for the Matches page
« Reply #4, on March 16th, 2017, 08:20 AM »
Quote from Akylen on March 16th, 2017, 12:48 AM
Tagging new users is not a bad idea. I had a similar idea, but implementing ranks. The more you trade, the more you progress. Just like it happens in forums and on ebay. You could have symbols to indicate your progress.
It doesn't give you any special advantage over the others, but people would be able to know if you are new to trading and also if you are trustable based on the rank.
So it would be like a new rep system for this site? It would be nice to have something like that right there for easy access without having to go to steamtrades. I wonder if it is possible to import steamtrades rep and barter trade numbers. That could eliminate a lot of false new trader tags from the start. I mean we would all be new traders on here and ff everyone has a new trader tag it kind of diminishes the meaning of it.
Quote from Quantum on March 16th, 2017, 01:14 AM
I feel this should be solved by providing new traders information about how to value trade offers, including a reference to that a lot of people trade primarily to sell items on grey market sites. Personally I wouldn't mind if i.e. by default a warning was shown to new traders that it can be useful to price check offers on sites like ITAD & G2A before accepting an offer.

Which would allow the matches page to still be sortable by new traders ;-).
Sticking it to the re-sellers, huh? I agree, having some kind of trading value guidelines right here on the site is great idea. It should help cut down on the tier 0 junk games for high value game offers too (*cough*manji_chiba*cough*). Yeah G2A is probably the most objective and simplest tool to use for trade valuation when trading with re-sellers. It could hurt other trader's who aren't re-sellers and don't use G2A though. Maybe there should just be a ban on re-sellers ;)

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Re: Feature suggestions for the Matches page
« Reply #6, on March 16th, 2017, 09:10 PM »Last edited on March 17th, 2017, 08:53 PM
Quote from Keyser Soze on March 16th, 2017, 08:20 AM
Sticking it to the re-sellers, huh? I agree, having some kind of trading value guidelines right here on the site is great idea. It should help cut down on the tier 0 junk games for high value game offers too (*cough*manji_chiba*cough*). Yeah G2A is probably the most objective and simplest tool to use for trade valuation when trading with re-sellers. It could hurt other trader's who aren't re-sellers and don't use G2A though. Maybe there should just be a ban on re-sellers ;)
One of the things I really like about Barter is that it's fundamentally inclusive. It's just a neutral / objective trading site and doesn't judge the users / tries to impose morals on them. So I'm not too big a fan of banning users outright (unless it's for not keeping the promised trade / being insulting). Having said that: I wouldn't mind protecting (newer) users by showing the actual market value of games from a few different site's.

An example: I am pretty sure that even with the value being shown right next to a game, there are a lot of casual traders that would be perfectly fine trading a game worth 18$ on G2A (but acquired at about 2$ in a Humble Monthly) for a 5$ lowest ITAD game steam gift. In those cases it's a matter of perspective. I'd prefer providing users with enough information to make informed decisions instead of not giving them a choice.

Sorry for the off-topic response ;-).

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Re: Feature suggestions for the Matches page
« Reply #7, on March 17th, 2017, 02:56 AM »
Tagging new users is probably a bad idea because it's likely to invite people to try and take advantage of them.

For people like manji_chiba, just let users block them (and maybe if too many users block them auto-ban or suspend them).

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Re: Feature suggestions for the Matches page
« Reply #9, on March 17th, 2017, 08:26 PM »Last edited on March 17th, 2017, 08:43 PM
I think it might be a good idea to have a basic trading information page for new users, so that they know valuation can be based on number wishlisted, H/W ratio, G2A, price paid, Steam price, gameplay quality, gameplay length, etc. (possibly in the form of a link, so that it is not 'in your face' for everyone'...basically a link to a trading FAQ of sorts). It would also be nice if traders enter how they personally value games as that can increase the trade success dramatically (so in that sense I would personally find such a recommendation useful or a special bar where traders can enter their valuation method). I do not mind how other people value games as I can work with any valuation method except those who by default overvalue their own games by twice or trice the real value. Personally I do not mind the competitive resellers. Sure, they charge a bit extra, but they offer liquidity of sorts. I tend to use them at times as well to either trade for games I really want or Paypal funds as I am staying away from G2A after having read how many scammers there are who attempt to get games for free. I do not want to get involved in that G2A chargeback fiasco, so if those G2A resellers take the risk or have the reputation to protect themselves from that, then in a way it is still a win/win situation.

What Barter did not have is an option to denote trading practices. Some traders tend to send out multiple offers simultaneously and then cancel multiple accepted offers. It might be useful if we could enter in our profiles whether are inclined to hold up agreements that were made by accepting or whether the deal is only valid when the actual trade happens. There are of course circumstances out of our control such as winning a game at steamgifts and then simultaneously having an offer accepted for the same game, but such an occurrence is rare. So in short some cancel accepted offers whenever they managed to get a better deal or any other reason. Others consider the deal valid upon accepting and others again generally consider the deal valid, but prefer to communicate first for verification before sending any key/giftlink. It would be nice if traders could select their way of making deals, so that it is visible to all other traders. It would also be nice if players could select whether they are interested in giftlinks or keys by default unless otherwise specified. That solves a lot of standard communication protocols too.

Most trading issues tend to arise out of miscommunication or just lacking the information altogether, so in that sense it would be nice if greater attention would be paid by default by traders about communicating their valuation methods and their trading protocols. Barter also did not provide significant room to denote such practices. Of course it still needs to be presented in a concise way....most players would not want to read an entire personalised trade manual to trade with a single trader (and some traders have the tendency to create just such manuals).

What would be really nice is if the matching page also already showed the preference for keys/giftlinks, the trading practices and possibly the valuation method of the traders. Some of these might even be displayed by small coloured squares or something like that, so that it is not too distracting, but adds instant valuable information for those who seek it.

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Re: Feature suggestions for the Matches page
« Reply #10, on March 18th, 2017, 05:07 AM »
Quote from Pika! Pika! on March 17th, 2017, 08:26 PM
Sure, they charge a bit extra, but they offer liquidity of sorts. I tend to use them at times as well to either trade for games I really want or Paypal funds as I am staying away from G2A after having read how many scammers there are who attempt to get games for free. I do not want to get involved in that G2A chargeback fiasco, so if those G2A resellers take the risk or have the reputation to protect themselves from that, then in a way it is still a win/win situation.
This is how I think of it also. When you trade with a re-seller you are paying for a service; they sell the game on G2A, pay the fees for selling, wait 2 weeks for the money to clear, wait for the funds to go to paypal, deal with any customer service issues, and you get your money or game instantly. That service comes with a price, but how valuable it is depends on the person. With more transparency you would probably be negotiating what percentage the re-seller's cut is instead of which games they get.
Quote from √εηη¡£ε® on March 17th, 2017, 10:24 PM
Once the regular offer system is live and working, maybe sometime later could consider adding this multi-user offer as an extra feature?
There was another thread on here suggesting something to solve the multiple accepted offers problem. Nao/Lestrade said he planned on implementing something to fix it, but that it would take time and won't be in the trading system on release.

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Re: Feature suggestions for the Matches page
« Reply #11, on March 18th, 2017, 08:52 PM »
I'd love an option to "show X per-page" instead of having them all on one long page. It takes a couple seconds to load the page atm for me because of the length, and that load time is only going to get worse as more people register.

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Re: Feature suggestions for the Matches page
« Reply #12, on March 20th, 2017, 11:27 AM »
Quote from Quantum on March 15th, 2017, 12:11 AM
- The option to group users and then only match with those groups of user was an interesting feature. If revived, I'd highly recommend allowing custom tags instead so you can make as many groups as you like.
Agree with all your suggestions, but love specially this one, because there are some traders I really like to trade with, if there was a group I could put these in and check all at the same time, that would be great.
My real wishlist is on steam.
My wishlist here is for trading purposes.
I like to trade for games I do not own based on Want/Have Ratio, rather than other approaches.

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Re: Feature suggestions for the Matches page
« Reply #13, on March 22nd, 2017, 03:38 PM »
Just an idea and I'm not sure if it's feasible/possible/easy to even do.

On the Matches results page, I like that it "folds" or collapses all of the people who are inactive.....what I'd like to see is the ability to manually control that collapse (or expand I guess) anyone that I've looked at already, regardless of inactive or otherwise.

Just an idea.

~David.

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