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What the flu?
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Quote from Lestrade 尚 on April 27th, 2017, 04:45 PM
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(And yes, I have the flu even though we're in Spring. Go ahead, laugh at me, 2017 is my lucky year. I should be in bed right now, I can't even think properly.)
A bit off topic here: I also had two recent flus which never happened before. My theory is that it is related to the anti-vaccine campaigns :/
https://imgur.com/t/science_and_tech/IwDF7

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Re: What the flu?
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Quote from Akylen on April 28th, 2017, 02:06 AM
Quote from Lestrade 尚 on April 27th, 2017, 04:45 PM
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(And yes, I have the flu even though we're in Spring. Go ahead, laugh at me, 2017 is my lucky year. I should be in bed right now, I can't even think properly.)
A bit off topic here: I also had two recent flus which never happened. My theory is that it is related to the anti-vaccine campaigns :/
https://imgur.com/t/science_and_tech/IwDF7
Technically people who take vaccines expose themselves to small quantities of the disease, so they are in essence carriers of it and it is a bit of Russian Roulette whether that infection with disease has enough strength for a full scale breakout and that can spread to others who may or may not be vaccinated. Such information is also listed in the fine print that goes with vaccines, but is never read. So those who let themselves get vaccinated should technically be quarantined from the rest and not the other way around as is often stated. Most of the diseases through the years simply went away though better sanitation and enough food. Homeopathy can actually work very well when considering that the Queen of England uses the best homeopath that country has, Dr. Peter Fisher. It also used to be part of the traditional medicine in the West. Problem is that it is not part of the one problem, one solution concept and might require a somewhat unique treatment for each individual. I have some alternative (non-homeopathic) health procedures myself and whenever I run them there is not a cold that can touch me, even when everyone else around me is ill. Same with other things like removing gallstones (which everyone has) to greatly boost the immune system (and can assist greatly in the curing of all kinds of allergies)....others need to go to the hospital to get some of them surgically removed, but I can remove far more of them in a natural way with some understanding of the body, select salts and oils. People can make life as simple or complicated as they want, but as long as the basic social structure of society remains war the best solutions cannot be expected to be given for free.

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Re: What the flu?
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I need an 'off-topic' board for this kind of discussion. Well, I guess I'll make one if there are enough topics to transfer there. I got burned with my boards like the gaming-related one which still has no single message. ;)

It's not a flu because I don't have fever but the usual symptoms (too tired to do anything else than sleep, sore throat, ...), but I don't know the English word for that. Heck, the only French word I know for it is 'état grippal'... Which means 'flu-like state'. Don't bother :P

Interesting comic, thanks for the link!

PS: homeopathy isn't explained by science so I'll just put it in the same category as placebos, if you'll excuse me. I.e. things that only work if you believe very much in them.

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Re: What the flu?
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We can bring in Harvard if that helps:

Harvard Immunologist Demolishes Mandatory Vaccination Logic

If you look at the Measles Paradox, you will notice that most measles outbreaks happen in individuals who had been vaccinated:

Measles Paradox

Now of course it could be argued that the influence of the vaccine had weakened over time and it could be argued that the populations were not equally distributed, but that overlooks the low responsiveness of some population groups and the risk those who have vaccinated themselves pose to the rest. The evidence out there does not rule out that model I proposed. Would it not be more appropriate to blame imperfect solutions and work towards something superior? At the end of the day the mainstream scientific world has enough trouble curing a simple cold, without even talking about curing allergies and more advanced diseases. Why be content with that?

As far as placebos are concerned, how would that work with animals who are given homeopathic medicine and measurable results are observed? Would it work because the animal believes in the placebo? The first stage of science would seem to me to be to figure out what works, not why it works. Models have to conform to reality instead of attempting to conform reality to models.

The influence of power on science should never be underestimated. A nice example of this is banking. If privately owned central banks create money and have the monopoly on that creation of money and charge interest on that money (or better said fiat currency), the only thing you know for certain is that on an international level not all parties will be able to repay what they lent. Say a central bank brings $100 into circulation and charges 1% yearly interest (in a protectionist closed off society). How is that society going to come up with $101 by the end of the year when that $100 is the entire money supply? The population has no authority to create that extra $1. It would be called counterfeiting if they created an extra $1 by themselves. Lending more does not circumvent the problem, but it is that reason that that national debts of most countries steadily rise. If science was not compromised in this area, it would have exposed the anomaly. There is either an interest payment or inflation, but both denote an obvious scam.

What people consider as science is not always very scientific. Consider burn marks on your hand. Would you be inclined to put your hand in cold water or hot water when that happens? Have you ever tried purposefully burning both hands and holding one hand in warm water and one hand in cold water? The hand held in warm water will hurt far more initially, but will heal far quicker. Ironic, is it not?

Science is more often the realisation how little we know than the assumption that we know everything. The dominant Aristotelian perspective on science (as opposed to the Platonic perspective) at any rate relies on probabilities to define everything. Here we once again we run into the contradiction that we like to state only certainties, but in Aristotelian science we can only talk about probabilities.

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Re: What the flu?
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Not that it's particularly on-topic, but the flu I mentioned in my OP wasn't a flu... I never had a fever or a running nose or whatever. My conclusion is that I'm just physically exhausted from the last couple of months I spent on Lestrade's, plain and simple. I just need more sleep, and that's the last thing I can afford right now... :^^;: