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But then you get people who will abuse the "3 strike" system (*cough*"high value game and another"*cough*). Sure, that can be an option, but it shouldn't be the only one.

I still don't get the "butthurt over being ignored" thing. So what if you get blocked? You should see it as another trader having a different idea of value than you, not a personal attack, unless you were being an ass unprovoked in the first place (which I will admit to doing more than once) - then you deserve it.

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Quote from Alex on March 21st, 2017, 02:34 AM
But then you get people who will abuse the "3 strike" system (*cough*"high value game and another"*cough*). Sure, that can be an option, but it shouldn't be the only one.

I still don't get the "butthurt over being ignored" thing. So what if you get blocked? You should see it as another trader having a different idea of value than you, not a personal attack. Unless you were being an ass in the first place (which I will admit to doing more than once), then you deserve it.
Hi Alex,

I certainly would not take it personally if I get ignored, but I think the immediacy of ignores at Barter.vg lowers trading success and I do not see that as necessary if that can be remedied. Some traders might still insist on immediately ignoring someone and that cannot be prevented and neither should we insist on that if a trader truly feels strongly about such a specific action. If traders had more tools to express their perspective, they probably would be less likely to resort to ignores and increase their trade success instead.

I might have a different perspective on the use of an ignore. Barter in my opinion never had a proper way in which traders could indicate which valuation method they used, so then numerous traders resorted to ignores to solve that issue. I thus think it would be better to ensure that traders have more room to express their valuation methods by default, so that an ignore can truly be used as a last resort when working with another trader is perceived as unworkable. In that sense if would be nice if one could even search for matches by means of specific valuation methods (and thus filter out the rest when so desired).


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Re: Issue(s)
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Re: Firefox, the only difference I noticed is that the dropdown was slightly broken with it (overflow issue). I fixed that. The sorting, however, works the same as Chrome for me.

Re: sorting, Quantum-- I even tried on your particular wishlist, and it's sorting the games just fine (starts either with a list of 0-tradable games, or with Titan Souls, your most 'common' wishlisted game-- ah, how the trading world has changed :lol:)
I really don't know what's up. Did you reload your page? Gosh I'm surrounded by techies, not computer noobs :P

@theemu (Jennifer?!?!), yes I know you like working through the magic of how websites work :D, here it's a very simple implementation that works fine on modern computers (it's quite slow on my old phone, but still way faster than reloading the page like Barter forced us to :P), but I *am* getting proper ratios...
Hmm wait...

Okay I got it, I went overboard with that because ratios are calculated live and I was afraid they'd make the site load slower. It isn't really the case so I'll be enabling them for everyone in lists. Later on I'll store these numbers instead of doing them live. I just need to update them as games are added or removed, after all.

Re: ignore lists, really glad to see I'm getting traction with the idea of offering people the ability to tell what they trade for. ;)

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Re: Issue(s)
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It would be great if clicking on the profile picture (right column) would take you to your profile.

Also if the lestrades logo on the upper right corner would take you to the main page. Right now, the only way to go to the main page is go up the screen, hover on "Home" and click on "lestrades". It's easier to click on the browser bookmark.

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Re: Issue(s)
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Profile picture: why not just click on the Profile menu link?

Home: you don't have to click on Lestrade's, just click on Home. I'm planning to have the logo clickable but it's a background image, not an IMG, so I need to make the entire div clickable. I'm more concerned that mobile doesn't really have an easy way to reach the homepage.
Posted: March 21st, 2017, 09:16 AM

Home link implemented on the LT logo. Of course it's just a hack, so you can't open it in a new tab. You'll have to use the menu for that.

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Quote from Nao 尚 on March 21st, 2017, 12:14 AM
It's working for me, did you happen to post during the few minutes where I was rewriting the ratio code? :P
Might be, it is working for me now :cool:
Quote from Nao 尚 on March 21st, 2017, 08:02 AM
Re: ignore lists, really glad to see I'm getting traction with the idea of offering people the ability to tell what they trade for. ;)
Like this, also don't know if it has been mentioned, I do not like Barters option for turning off comments in a trade, making it hard to understand each other value/view point, if you cannot ask questions about the trade :)

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Re: Issue(s)
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Quote from Nao 尚 on March 21st, 2017, 08:02 AM
Re: Firefox, the only difference I noticed is that the dropdown was slightly broken with it (overflow issue). I fixed that. The sorting, however, works the same as Chrome for me.

Re: sorting, Quantum-- I even tried on your particular wishlist, and it's sorting the games just fine (starts either with a list of 0-tradable games, or with Titan Souls, your most 'common' wishlisted game-- ah, how the trading world has changed :lol:)
I really don't know what's up. Did you reload your page? Gosh I'm surrounded by techies, not computer noobs :P
Thanks for the fix :).
Re: Issue(s)
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Quote from Pika! Pika! on March 21st, 2017, 02:10 AM
I might have expressed the situation with permanent ignores not correctly above. The issue is that it tends to happen too swiftly and without notice and one can thus cannot remedy it most of the time. So what I would therefore like to propose is a sort of 'cards' system whereby you can warn another trader that you really do not like certain offers. So what I propose is that as a trader you can give another trader a 'green card', then a 'yellow card' (with or without a temporary ignore of a day, 3 days, a week or a month) and then a 'red card' with the 'red card' being a permanent ignore. That should provide enough flexibility to work things out. If a trader then notices they have received a green or yellow card, they can try to talk it out with that other trader or at least be aware that there is something they preferably can do differently instead of receiving those one hit knockouts that seem to come out of nowhere. What would work even better is if the trader who gives the other trader a card has to specify what they do not like such as behaviour, steam prices comparison, H/W ratio comparison, wishlisted total comparison, price paid comparison, G2A price comparison, multiple valuation methods, gameplay difference or the perception that the other trader seeks to profit systematically from each trade. That way the trader who has been given the warning card can work on the issue and improve not only the future trades they make, but also the community.
I mostly agree with Akylen on this. If you don't want to trade with a certain person, that's your choice to make. I don't see the need for over complicating it (with cards i.e.) and basically forcing people to communicate with people they don't really want to trade with anyway. If someone ignores a lot of people he / she will reduce his own potential matches mostly. That's a very basic incentive to not over use it. Also, I'd be curious how many people actually have more then 10 people ignored on Barter right now (Nao? ;-)). I'm betting it's not that relevant an amount compared to the total user base.

An option to optionally show ignored users in your matches could be interesting though; that way there'd be additional incentive to once in a while to give someone another chance.

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Re: Issue(s)
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Quote from Nao 尚 on March 21st, 2017, 12:17 PM
Profile picture: why not just click on the Profile menu link?
I noticed that but since it wasn't a priority I was saving it for later. I think it's more intuitive to click on the user's picture to go to the profile instead of going up and looking for the profile link.

Besides that:
- User picture -> Profile = one click
- Profile  -> Dropdown -> Summary = more work (plus one extra click when you click on "Profile" and you realize that it doesn't go anywhere and that you have to click on "Summary", happened to me a couple of times)
- It's how it works in the forums (left column avatars link to the profiles)

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A small bug : Desolate Wastes: Vendor Chronicles title is replaced by  Deus Ex: Human Revolution - The Missing Link

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Re: Issue(s)
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Why some games have the feature "✽ Was present in these bundles..." and some games have not?

I use this feature a lot to find out where to search on the right bundle for the tradables I own.
My real wishlist is on steam.
My wishlist here is for trading purposes.
I like to trade for games I do not own based on Want/Have Ratio, rather than other approaches.

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Re: Issue(s)
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Quote from joaoarena on March 24th, 2017, 12:34 PM
Why some games have the feature "✽ Was present in these bundles..." and some games have not?
I think it has to do with LT not having scrapped all past bundles, and not scrapping/adding new ones. It's on the to-do list, but I guess it's well behind improving the offer system and adding editing to the tradable/wishlist/blacklist/library...

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Re: Issue(s)
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Yes, I can manually launch an import of all recent bundles from ITAD, I just need to save the HTML for the latest bundles to get their IDs, then run my little scraper. It's not very practical, for obvious reasons. I should automate this, but as I said before, I'm also planning to add the ability to edit/add bundles manually in case ITAD is taking too long to add crucial bundles like Humble's. So it's not an easy decision to make.
Oh, maybe I could just compare the URL to the existing bundles, and if I scrape and ITAD bundle with the same URL (like at humblebundle.com), then I could just ignore it. That's a good idea. Thanks, Nao, good suggestion. Now where's my cigar?

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Re: Issue(s)
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It's more the simple fact that there are so many games with 'io' in their name... :^^;:
I've fixed it to sort by length so that it returns 'Io' in first position, but then the search was about 20 to 40 times slower than before. It was still fast, but unacceptable to me, so I reverted it.
As a reminder: for games that are on Steam, just go to their store page, then replace 'steampowered' with 'lestrades' in the URL. You'll be redirected to the corresponding LT page. Not ideal, but works every single time.