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The Illustrious Idea / Re: Report/ban system?
« on November 16th, 2017, 06:10 PM »
I've started using g2a prices myself for value estimation (I actually find it more intuitive than supply/demand ratios) so that sounds pretty great actually.
Some thoughts:
- instead of a g2a lowest price you should perhaps show an average of the lowest available prices for that item from multiple stores (HK game? Kingwin, etc.) - using only the g2a price would basically mean unfair promotion of their service across the site
- if you're going to show (and store on-site) an "average" marketplace price for any given title, perhaps you could also show (separately) the lowest available store price (isthereanydeal.com) too?
- Once per week pricechecks for a normal game seem more than reasonable
- Being in an active bundle could trigger one pricecheck per day for a given title, until that bundle expires (don't see the point of making it any more frequent than that)
- I wouldn't trigger a "lowball warning" anywhere on-site, since this would artificially influence the market (again, who gets to determine what a lowball offer is exactly, and why should we accept this opinion as law?) - each user is free to make his own choices and should be solely responsible in doing so based on his own interests (especially now since he would have every possible relevant metric available on this site). Plus you'd have an annoying pop-up/notification/warning text that everyone will basically ignore anyway in the interface - at least until the algorithm becomes more precise, that is.
All in all this would be a very useful feature.
From a user design perspective, I think reporting (and badges) should be done (and shown) on profile pages - if you report something, it should be a person's behavior, not the offer itself. (That should only be a reason/proof of the report itself). A "Report offer"rather than "Report user" means having users basically abuse that feature to flag shit offers rather than users.
That being said, the "report user" option should ideally be available from both screens (profile and offer) I think.
Some thoughts:
- instead of a g2a lowest price you should perhaps show an average of the lowest available prices for that item from multiple stores (HK game? Kingwin, etc.) - using only the g2a price would basically mean unfair promotion of their service across the site
- if you're going to show (and store on-site) an "average" marketplace price for any given title, perhaps you could also show (separately) the lowest available store price (isthereanydeal.com) too?
- Once per week pricechecks for a normal game seem more than reasonable
- Being in an active bundle could trigger one pricecheck per day for a given title, until that bundle expires (don't see the point of making it any more frequent than that)
- I wouldn't trigger a "lowball warning" anywhere on-site, since this would artificially influence the market (again, who gets to determine what a lowball offer is exactly, and why should we accept this opinion as law?) - each user is free to make his own choices and should be solely responsible in doing so based on his own interests (especially now since he would have every possible relevant metric available on this site). Plus you'd have an annoying pop-up/notification/warning text that everyone will basically ignore anyway in the interface - at least until the algorithm becomes more precise, that is.
All in all this would be a very useful feature.
From a user design perspective, I think reporting (and badges) should be done (and shown) on profile pages - if you report something, it should be a person's behavior, not the offer itself. (That should only be a reason/proof of the report itself). A "Report offer"rather than "Report user" means having users basically abuse that feature to flag shit offers rather than users.
That being said, the "report user" option should ideally be available from both screens (profile and offer) I think.
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The Illustrious Idea / Re: Report/ban system?
« on November 14th, 2017, 03:39 PM »
Thanks for the response!
Not sure if low-ball offers qualify for unwanted behavior (in the sense that it needs a system in place to deter people from doing it). Some people are of course willing to accept deals that would seem low-ball to others - so, who gets to decide what is low ball or not? (Just a thought.)
As for the policing process, as the owner/developer of this site it makes sense that you would be the one handling the process, but in an ideal world I think most people would prefer to use a system that is a bit more formal and decentralized (report buttons/visible behavior tags on profile or something and perhaps a team of community moderators?) to what you're currently suggesting (contacting just you to personally look into it in your spare time).
But hey, we'll take whatever we can get.
Thanks for the hard work put into this site and the continued support!
Not sure if low-ball offers qualify for unwanted behavior (in the sense that it needs a system in place to deter people from doing it). Some people are of course willing to accept deals that would seem low-ball to others - so, who gets to decide what is low ball or not? (Just a thought.)
As for the policing process, as the owner/developer of this site it makes sense that you would be the one handling the process, but in an ideal world I think most people would prefer to use a system that is a bit more formal and decentralized (report buttons/visible behavior tags on profile or something and perhaps a team of community moderators?) to what you're currently suggesting (contacting just you to personally look into it in your spare time).
But hey, we'll take whatever we can get.
Thanks for the hard work put into this site and the continued support!
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The Illustrious Idea / Report/ban system?
« on November 13th, 2017, 02:16 PM »
Hello,
What are the chances of getting something in place to keep things like this from happening? https://lestrades.com/offer/9605/
I know that the "ignore user" option is currently unavailable (and in development?) but apparently I could also use something akin to a "report" button (that actually does something).
While this (verbal abuse) is far from ruining my day, I don't think this kind of behavior is in any way acceptable and something should be done to deter people from doing stupid shit like this in the future.
I mean - what are my options right now (other than deleting my account)? I can't leave negative feedback on steamtrades or something as he hasn't actually scammed me in any way.
What if this guy has some actual mental problems and keeps raging every day in that thread for a couple of weeks? Even if there was an ignore button, shouldn't he get a warning (badge)/temporary/permanent ban?
I realize that this would mean opening up a pandora's box of maintenance hours and potential abuse (that will only get worse as the site grows) but any functioning community requires some sort of policing system to keep it in check - even more so in the case of juvenile gamer dudes that get salty with their offers and counters perhaps. (I know I do as well, from time to time).
You're always going to have trolls and abusive behavior, and not having a system to keep up with that will mean that these things will bring the entire scene/community down.
Thanks!
What are the chances of getting something in place to keep things like this from happening? https://lestrades.com/offer/9605/
I know that the "ignore user" option is currently unavailable (and in development?) but apparently I could also use something akin to a "report" button (that actually does something).
While this (verbal abuse) is far from ruining my day, I don't think this kind of behavior is in any way acceptable and something should be done to deter people from doing stupid shit like this in the future.
I mean - what are my options right now (other than deleting my account)? I can't leave negative feedback on steamtrades or something as he hasn't actually scammed me in any way.
What if this guy has some actual mental problems and keeps raging every day in that thread for a couple of weeks? Even if there was an ignore button, shouldn't he get a warning (badge)/temporary/permanent ban?
I realize that this would mean opening up a pandora's box of maintenance hours and potential abuse (that will only get worse as the site grows) but any functioning community requires some sort of policing system to keep it in check - even more so in the case of juvenile gamer dudes that get salty with their offers and counters perhaps. (I know I do as well, from time to time).
You're always going to have trolls and abusive behavior, and not having a system to keep up with that will mean that these things will bring the entire scene/community down.
Thanks!