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A Scandal in Minutia / Re: Harassment from Revadike
« on September 23rd, 07:02 PM »
Thanks, that's good to hear.
I have to comment on the fairness, though. The games he was offering were not just in some bundle but given away for free. Currently going for about €1 on the gray market.
To ask for God of War, The Last of Us, Kerbal Space Program 2 (all between €20 and €30 at the time) and even The Legend of Korra (delisted; €250) in return is nothing but a blatant rip-off attempt of the highest magnitude. And you can't tell me he didn't know exactly what he was doing.
On Barter.vg ( https://barter.vg/u/48e/t/ ), you can even see that he grabbed at least ten copies of each. Greedy as can be.
I have to comment on the fairness, though. The games he was offering were not just in some bundle but given away for free. Currently going for about €1 on the gray market.
To ask for God of War, The Last of Us, Kerbal Space Program 2 (all between €20 and €30 at the time) and even The Legend of Korra (delisted; €250) in return is nothing but a blatant rip-off attempt of the highest magnitude. And you can't tell me he didn't know exactly what he was doing.
On Barter.vg ( https://barter.vg/u/48e/t/ ), you can even see that he grabbed at least ten copies of each. Greedy as can be.
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A Scandal in Minutia / Re: Harassment from Revadike
« on September 7th, 06:51 PM »
I've seen and laughed about those complaints plenty already. Good riddance to all of them.
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A Scandal in Minutia / Re: Harassment from Revadike
« on September 3rd, 06:54 PM »
It was turned on for everybody when the feature was newly added. You might not have liked that, but it was a one-off "incident" to introduce the whole thing.
You've said that you've turned it off, but "still run into major issues". These issues cannot be related to incoming offers. Or are you claiming your preferences are being ignored and incoming offers are still under moderation?
Assuming no, your problems must stem from outgoing offers being moderated. Thus, we're right back at that quote from me (unless somebody else's incoming offers are moderated despited having opted out, which I also doubt):
"1. You're sending offers to [...] very new users [who're still on the default setting and haven't actually turned it on themselves]. Since there's apparently active moderation going on, they'll learn how the feature works in practice now and can then decide to keep it turned on or not. Done. [Another one-off "incident", at most.]
2. You're sending offers to people who have already decided they want to use it. Once more, I don't see the slightest reason why you should be able to override that choice."
There's simply no third option and so your problems here are, well, yours. Again, just like with blocking, you don't get to nullify the other person's choice to keep moderation on.
I can see how mistakes are bound to happen given the huge number of offers every day, but if the receiving party of your offers wants the moderators' assistance anyway, that's simply it. What you see as bad design, they apparently think of as good.
Sure hope you're right with your last point, though.
You've said that you've turned it off, but "still run into major issues". These issues cannot be related to incoming offers. Or are you claiming your preferences are being ignored and incoming offers are still under moderation?
Assuming no, your problems must stem from outgoing offers being moderated. Thus, we're right back at that quote from me (unless somebody else's incoming offers are moderated despited having opted out, which I also doubt):
"1. You're sending offers to [...] very new users [who're still on the default setting and haven't actually turned it on themselves]. Since there's apparently active moderation going on, they'll learn how the feature works in practice now and can then decide to keep it turned on or not. Done. [Another one-off "incident", at most.]
2. You're sending offers to people who have already decided they want to use it. Once more, I don't see the slightest reason why you should be able to override that choice."
There's simply no third option and so your problems here are, well, yours. Again, just like with blocking, you don't get to nullify the other person's choice to keep moderation on.
I can see how mistakes are bound to happen given the huge number of offers every day, but if the receiving party of your offers wants the moderators' assistance anyway, that's simply it. What you see as bad design, they apparently think of as good.
Sure hope you're right with your last point, though.
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A Scandal in Minutia / Re: Harassment from Revadike
« on September 2nd, 06:59 PM »
Okay, if you don't think blocking would be necessary, don't do it. Or undo it later. Again, it's optional.
And if you don't think being blocked by somebody else would have been necessary, honestly, so what? The other person thinks differently and I really don't see the slightest reason why you should be able to override their decision.
Offer moderation works on an opt-out basis as the new users, towards which is this is primarily aimed at, would all be screwed out of their valuable items long before they even discover this feature. Some "people" sit there 24/7 hours a day with a multiple accounts (using scripts etc.) to rip them off as hard and fast as possible. I'm sure many inexperienced traders who have been protected by the moderators see more than only little value in it.
If they, however, don't, they're free to deactivate it (just live you've done) and no moderation will take place any more.
There are only two ways you could have issues with it:
1. You're sending offers to those very new users. Since there's apparently active moderation going on, they'll learn how the feature works in practice now and can then decide to keep it turned on or not. Done.
2. You're sending offers to people who have already decided they want to use it. Once more, I don't see the slightest reason why you should be able to override that choice.
As for your alternative suggestion, it would certainly be better than nothing, but actually I wasn't even asking him to implement anything new. I just wanted him to deal with one particular user who without any doubt must have gotten the message by now, but feels like he's above it all and free to do whatever he wants. I want him to leave me alone, but he doesn't care one bit.
All the general discussions aside, I fail to think of any justification for this and why he's allowed to continue being a pest while I simply have to deal with it.
And if you don't think being blocked by somebody else would have been necessary, honestly, so what? The other person thinks differently and I really don't see the slightest reason why you should be able to override their decision.
Offer moderation works on an opt-out basis as the new users, towards which is this is primarily aimed at, would all be screwed out of their valuable items long before they even discover this feature. Some "people" sit there 24/7 hours a day with a multiple accounts (using scripts etc.) to rip them off as hard and fast as possible. I'm sure many inexperienced traders who have been protected by the moderators see more than only little value in it.
If they, however, don't, they're free to deactivate it (just live you've done) and no moderation will take place any more.
There are only two ways you could have issues with it:
1. You're sending offers to those very new users. Since there's apparently active moderation going on, they'll learn how the feature works in practice now and can then decide to keep it turned on or not. Done.
2. You're sending offers to people who have already decided they want to use it. Once more, I don't see the slightest reason why you should be able to override that choice.
As for your alternative suggestion, it would certainly be better than nothing, but actually I wasn't even asking him to implement anything new. I just wanted him to deal with one particular user who without any doubt must have gotten the message by now, but feels like he's above it all and free to do whatever he wants. I want him to leave me alone, but he doesn't care one bit.
All the general discussions aside, I fail to think of any justification for this and why he's allowed to continue being a pest while I simply have to deal with it.
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A Scandal in Minutia / Re: Harassment from Revadike
« on September 1st, 07:02 PM »Every platform makes its decisions based upon its own principles. This platform has distinctly different principles than Barter and each has its own advantages and disadvantages. Every user can decide whether the principles of a platform are acceptable to them or not......I do think there is much more to it than that.
The blocking of users for me has resulted in good and bad experiences at Barter. Probably on the whole I have had more good experiences than bad experiences with that (maybe 75% to 25%), but the underlying principle behind it has now enabled offer moderation and I have had only bad experiences with that and I am not even one of the people who got banned or warned about it. The question that comes up in my mind is what kind of new moderation can take place in the future based on that principle. So in that sense I personally think it is a good thing that principles remain fixed. If anything can go in regards to principles, everything probably will go.
How could one even have a "bad experience" with that? Just unblock the person again if you feel like it.
Or is it you, perhaps, who's blocked? Tough luck; you have no right to bother anyone against their will.
Same applies to the enforcement of offer fairness. If you don't want your incoming offers to be moderated, disable the intervention.
If you don't want your outgoing offers to be moderated - specifically, when interacting with people who have the feature turned on, mind you -, well... that makes one wonder. Are you sending offers so unfair that even the generous 100% profit that is allowed for you would be surpassed? I don't see why anybody should have to put up with that, especially considering the dozens of warnings and "last" chances that are given before a ban is actually given.
Adhering to principles means nothing, per se, as said principles can be flawed.
Who, exactly, is benefiting here? I hate merely seeing his name already and would rather permanently invalidate my extra games than trade with him. I will decline absolutely all of his offers, which cause me nothing but anger. Of course, that means sending them in the first place is a waste of time for him, too.
How about that? I start bugging you by sending fantastic offers like Revadike does ( https://lestrades.com/offer/25815/ ) every single day from now on and because we wouldn't want to go against this site's principles, you just have to accept that for as long as the website keeps up.
Finally, look at the post below yours.
I didn't ask him if we could maybe improve the quality of his offers in the future, pretty please, if at all possible.
I've told him to cease any and all communications with me. Full stop. Multiple times, even. And here he is yet again! In real life, I would have put this fucking freak under a restraining order already.
This is who and what you're defending (same applies to Nao 尚). Great principles, really.
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A Scandal in Minutia / Re: Harassment from Revadike
« on August 31st, 06:51 PM »
Translation:
"It's not a problem for me, so it's not a problem for you.
It's totally only a single offer and not every single offer he has ever sent - in addition to his general behavior beyond that.
You're a retard and might miss out on so many awesome rip-off attempts - sorry, trades - because you'd really decide to block people you're never going to trade with anyway. Don't worry, I won't let that happen.
There's this common problem on the internet: people you don't like. There's also a universally accepted solution for it: blocking them. I know better, though, so you'll be dealing with their shit for a while longer and you'll be happy about it."
If you don't want to add this most basic feature (which I didn't ask for anyway), that's one thing, but don't feed me this crap instead.
"It's not a problem for me, so it's not a problem for you.
It's totally only a single offer and not every single offer he has ever sent - in addition to his general behavior beyond that.
You're a retard and might miss out on so many awesome rip-off attempts - sorry, trades - because you'd really decide to block people you're never going to trade with anyway. Don't worry, I won't let that happen.
There's this common problem on the internet: people you don't like. There's also a universally accepted solution for it: blocking them. I know better, though, so you'll be dealing with their shit for a while longer and you'll be happy about it."
If you don't want to add this most basic feature (which I didn't ask for anyway), that's one thing, but don't feed me this crap instead.
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A Scandal in Minutia / Harassment from Revadike
« on August 24th, 06:51 PM »
Dude keeps bothering me and since there's no way to block people here, I'm requesting admin intervention now.
https://lestrades.com/offer/25730/
https://lestrades.com/offer/25815/
https://lestrades.com/offer/25730/
https://lestrades.com/offer/25815/