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The Noble Talk / Re: What's up at Lestrade's?
« on March 25th, 2017, 12:12 AM »
Fix/Addition: Offers where one (or both) side(s) have a '1 out of 4', '3 out of 5' or whatever but no '5 out of 5' choice, will always keep their checkbox next to items, to make it more obvious that it's not a 5 out of 5 offer. That is, you'll still have to look at the '3 of the 4 items below' or whatever to see how many items are requested/offered, but alternatively if you don't see the checkboxes, you'll know that all items are being offered.
Bug fix: if clicking multiple times on 'Add to (list)', you could end up with multiple copies in your list. Now the button will be silently disabled as soon as you click it. I'll probably do that on more items, like 'Accept offer' or whatever.
Okay, I disabled the disabling of buttons. (Yeah that's nearly funny.)
The problem is that disabled buttons don't submit a value. So if there are multiple submit buttons in the same form, LT will be unable to know which was clicked. This made it impossible to send an offer... :(
I'll look into it a bit more.
Okay, that was a nasty one, but it should work now. Double-submit prevented, and no features appear to be broken. Please tell me ASAP if you find something broken when clicking a button!
Bug fix: if clicking multiple times on 'Add to (list)', you could end up with multiple copies in your list. Now the button will be silently disabled as soon as you click it. I'll probably do that on more items, like 'Accept offer' or whatever.
Posted: March 24th, 2017, 10:39 PM
Okay, I disabled the disabling of buttons. (Yeah that's nearly funny.)
The problem is that disabled buttons don't submit a value. So if there are multiple submit buttons in the same form, LT will be unable to know which was clicked. This made it impossible to send an offer... :(
I'll look into it a bit more.
Posted: March 24th, 2017, 11:25 PM
Okay, that was a nasty one, but it should work now. Double-submit prevented, and no features appear to be broken. Please tell me ASAP if you find something broken when clicking a button!
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The Illustrious Idea / Re: Feature request: notification about offers status via RSS
« on March 24th, 2017, 11:00 PM »
I actually wrote most of the updated code for Wedge regarding RSS feeds (they're actually Atom feeds now, much better implementation), so yeah of course it's something I'm thinking of. Especially due to Sasara being very helpful. (I think she likes me.)
Not a priority, though. In the meantime you can set up the notification system to send you e-mails regularly. I haven't tested it, but I have no reason to believe it wouldn't work. (?)
Not a priority, though. In the meantime you can set up the notification system to send you e-mails regularly. I haven't tested it, but I have no reason to believe it wouldn't work. (?)
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The Fatal Problem / Re: Issue(s)
« on March 24th, 2017, 10:34 PM »
Yes, I can manually launch an import of all recent bundles from ITAD, I just need to save the HTML for the latest bundles to get their IDs, then run my little scraper. It's not very practical, for obvious reasons. I should automate this, but as I said before, I'm also planning to add the ability to edit/add bundles manually in case ITAD is taking too long to add crucial bundles like Humble's. So it's not an easy decision to make.
Oh, maybe I could just compare the URL to the existing bundles, and if I scrape and ITAD bundle with the same URL (like at humblebundle.com), then I could just ignore it. That's a good idea. Thanks, Nao, good suggestion. Now where's my cigar?
Oh, maybe I could just compare the URL to the existing bundles, and if I scrape and ITAD bundle with the same URL (like at humblebundle.com), then I could just ignore it. That's a good idea. Thanks, Nao, good suggestion. Now where's my cigar?
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The Noble Talk / Re: 'The Trade is on!'
« on March 24th, 2017, 04:13 PM »
@LongBow, you can always send me donations by PayPal directly. ;) hello@world.com (replace hello with "paypal", and world with "kyodai") I also take wishlisted games-- for instance your copy of Worms Reloaded if it's the GOTY edition would be a fine reward. :D (https://lestrades.com/game/9839/)
@joaoarena - for now it's not possible. Of course it will be implemented in the future. What I would do for now is this: go to the user's tradables page, check if you want anything, and add it to your tradables.
@fading black - if you were registered at LT's before yesterday, then I made a final scrap about 24 hours ago that included all libraries, wishlists, tradables and blacklists. If it's not there, then you only registered today. In which case I'm afraid you'll have to wait for me to implement a one-time import for new users who were on Barter. The problem is that any games you added into your wishlist would then be duplicated with the ones imported from Barter...
@joaoarena - for now it's not possible. Of course it will be implemented in the future. What I would do for now is this: go to the user's tradables page, check if you want anything, and add it to your tradables.
@fading black - if you were registered at LT's before yesterday, then I made a final scrap about 24 hours ago that included all libraries, wishlists, tradables and blacklists. If it's not there, then you only registered today. In which case I'm afraid you'll have to wait for me to implement a one-time import for new users who were on Barter. The problem is that any games you added into your wishlist would then be duplicated with the ones imported from Barter...
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The Trader's Clerk / Re: Lestrade's 101 (WIP)
« on March 24th, 2017, 03:53 PM »But as you are the creator, of course you can. Just thought it was a game you love and were joking about the abillity to trade it. Sorry
You said: " Barter sorts by when you last added a game to your tradables.
So, ultimately, top matches are for the users who most recently added games - I concluded.
If you don't understand it, it's okay, I don't believe Barter ever disclosed their sorting technique. I'm just explaining what I managed to reverse-engineer out of it.
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The Trader's Clerk / Re: Lestrade's 101 (WIP)
« on March 24th, 2017, 03:02 PM »--KMJ--->was joke (but I love mahjong nonetheless)
Thanks for explaintin how it works, now I know that top matches are from the most recent active users, that's all the sorting I need :)
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The Trader's Clerk / Re: Lestrade's 101 (WIP)
« on March 24th, 2017, 01:55 PM »
Re: KMJ, I don't get what you mean. Is it supposed to be a joke?
Re: order. There is no sort button on the Matches page because Barter didn't have one, and I didn't see a point in changing the sort order. I prefer filtering to sorting here. Filtering is things like "only look for a certain tag(s)", "only look for rare games", "only match tradables I already own", "only match with people I've traded with in the past", etc. I may add sorting but I'll need to be convinced there's a point to it first.
I do default sorting the same way Barter did. That wasn't my 'favorite' way, but it was to help with transition.
And by default, Barter sorts by when you last added a game to your tradables.
It is actually the same on both Offer and Match pages. The difference is that Match pages have to account for user sorting.
It's very complicated, and it took me a while (an hour :P) to figure it out, so here's how Barter did it:
- It went through your tradable list, starting with your oldest game in it.
- It would find any people who want that game, and add them to an array.
- It would do the same till the end of your tradable list. (Barter currently no longer goes beyond your 15 oldest tradables, but it still does the rest for some reason.)
- Then for each user Barter added to its array, it would do a regular match between two users, like you'd get by clicking on someone's Wishlist link then Match. The kind that's fast and efficient. Except an efficient ~0.5 second operation, looped over 200 times, takes a bit longer than you'd want.
it would get their games you want.
How Lestrade's does it...?
- First, a single query to retrieve all users who have matches in common with you. It's by far the simplest query (although it has a subquery IIRC), but it's also the slowest. By 'slowest', I mean it takes a second to execute for someone who has thousands of tradables... Right?
- Then, a single query to retrieve all games that match. Very complex query, barely optimized, yet faster than the first one. Don't even bother ;)
Anyway, that's basically it. My second query, thanks to my little magic, returns the list of games already sorted by user, so I don't even have to store it somewhere, I can just output the games one by one. I could have changed that to sort them manually in PHP, it'd probably be as fast now that PHP 7 is so damn quick, but I figured since that wasn't even the slowest query, I didn't need to bother.
:edit: After talking with Barter, it turns out I was wrong, and it does a single unindexed query resulting from the joining of 9 tables. Well, thinking about it, doing thousands of queries would probably be faster. ;) Now, the results from that query are identical to what I described, though. But it also probably means the sorting itself was unintended. The fact that LT matching wastes time trying to 'reproduce' the same sorting is less of an homage than just blindly following a random act, then. The shoe! The shoe is the sign! No, the gourd is! ;)
Re: order. There is no sort button on the Matches page because Barter didn't have one, and I didn't see a point in changing the sort order. I prefer filtering to sorting here. Filtering is things like "only look for a certain tag(s)", "only look for rare games", "only match tradables I already own", "only match with people I've traded with in the past", etc. I may add sorting but I'll need to be convinced there's a point to it first.
I do default sorting the same way Barter did. That wasn't my 'favorite' way, but it was to help with transition.
And by default, Barter sorts by when you last added a game to your tradables.
It is actually the same on both Offer and Match pages. The difference is that Match pages have to account for user sorting.
It's very complicated, and it took me a while (an hour :P) to figure it out, so here's how Barter did it:
- It went through your tradable list, starting with your oldest game in it.
- It would find any people who want that game, and add them to an array.
- It would do the same till the end of your tradable list. (Barter currently no longer goes beyond your 15 oldest tradables, but it still does the rest for some reason.)
- Then for each user Barter added to its array, it would do a regular match between two users, like you'd get by clicking on someone's Wishlist link then Match. The kind that's fast and efficient. Except an efficient ~0.5 second operation, looped over 200 times, takes a bit longer than you'd want.
it would get their games you want.
How Lestrade's does it...?
- First, a single query to retrieve all users who have matches in common with you. It's by far the simplest query (although it has a subquery IIRC), but it's also the slowest. By 'slowest', I mean it takes a second to execute for someone who has thousands of tradables... Right?
- Then, a single query to retrieve all games that match. Very complex query, barely optimized, yet faster than the first one. Don't even bother ;)
Anyway, that's basically it. My second query, thanks to my little magic, returns the list of games already sorted by user, so I don't even have to store it somewhere, I can just output the games one by one. I could have changed that to sort them manually in PHP, it'd probably be as fast now that PHP 7 is so damn quick, but I figured since that wasn't even the slowest query, I didn't need to bother.
:edit: After talking with Barter, it turns out I was wrong, and it does a single unindexed query resulting from the joining of 9 tables. Well, thinking about it, doing thousands of queries would probably be faster. ;) Now, the results from that query are identical to what I described, though. But it also probably means the sorting itself was unintended. The fact that LT matching wastes time trying to 'reproduce' the same sorting is less of an homage than just blindly following a random act, then. The shoe! The shoe is the sign! No, the gourd is! ;)
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The Fatal Problem / Re: If it bugs you, then it bugs me.
« on March 24th, 2017, 01:32 PM »
(Okay, Editing problem fixed. This is one of the most complicated pieces of code in my codebase, and for no good reason.)
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The Noble Talk / Re: What's up at Lestrade's?
« on March 24th, 2017, 01:02 PM »
A week would be way too short, yes.
A year makes more sense, anything beyond six months to be is just digging into nostalgia. ;)
BUG FIX: users weren't able to vote in polls. Oops.
A year makes more sense, anything beyond six months to be is just digging into nostalgia. ;)
BUG FIX: users weren't able to vote in polls. Oops.
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The Fatal Problem / If it bugs you, then it bugs me.
« on March 24th, 2017, 12:39 PM »
Just thought I'd create a generic topic for submitting bug reports. (Can also be strong generic annoyances.)
For minor annoyances or suggestions, there are other topics. This one is mostly there so I know what to focus on fixing!
Anything that requires more than a couple posts to discuss will eventually be split into their own topics (it only takes a couple clicks), so feel free to post here or on a new topic.
I'll start by mentioning the fact that Editing an offer will hide all of its games. I don't know why it hasn't been reported to me earlier... But that's how it is. It's worthless. ^^ And it's a bug. I'll fix it today.
For minor annoyances or suggestions, there are other topics. This one is mostly there so I know what to focus on fixing!
Anything that requires more than a couple posts to discuss will eventually be split into their own topics (it only takes a couple clicks), so feel free to post here or on a new topic.
I'll start by mentioning the fact that Editing an offer will hide all of its games. I don't know why it hasn't been reported to me earlier... But that's how it is. It's worthless. ^^ And it's a bug. I'll fix it today.
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The Illustrious Idea / Re: Replace the pirate skull
« on March 24th, 2017, 12:37 PM »
So, you don't want it because it's... not the same? Regardless of the fact that the 'X' was the only bad choice for an icon on Barter?
I just thought it needed rethinking, and found the perfect one:
- Pirates are cool. And old. Like an Holmes story. Don't pirate games. Even old games.
- It says 'X' right on it, like Joao mentions.
- Crossbones = black flag. Blacklists often are symbolized by that.
Now it's true that the icon doesn't look the same across all browsers/devices, but I use Opera (Chromium), and it looks perfect on it. At least on the desktop version...
I just thought it needed rethinking, and found the perfect one:
- Pirates are cool. And old. Like an Holmes story. Don't pirate games. Even old games.
- It says 'X' right on it, like Joao mentions.
- Crossbones = black flag. Blacklists often are symbolized by that.
Now it's true that the icon doesn't look the same across all browsers/devices, but I use Opera (Chromium), and it looks perfect on it. At least on the desktop version...
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The Trader's Clerk / Re: Lestrade's 101 (WIP)
« on March 24th, 2017, 10:58 AM »
Good stuff!
I thought LT needed a guide for newbies, thanks for volunteering.
I'm also keeping this space reserved in case I need to add stuff. ;)
Don't post too many screenshots for now, as these buttons are not final. Okay it's just small things, but the Matches page's Send Offer link will likely become a button. 'Edit Offer' might become 'Edit offer' to stay in line with the rest. Or I'll turn everything to 'Offer'. I'm kind of an annoying perfectionist. I've also added some CSS to vertically align your screenshots, should look better.
Just a details - Support for non-Steam games is staying in, definitely. In the future I'll add the ability to add any game as long as you provide its store URL. Heck I can even do it manually if asked, I'd just need to re-use Barter game IDs that aren't used (there are a few hundreds available.)
PS: I already reserved ID #3000, for the curious. :niark: And yes, I can trade for it. :angel:
I thought LT needed a guide for newbies, thanks for volunteering.
I'm also keeping this space reserved in case I need to add stuff. ;)
Don't post too many screenshots for now, as these buttons are not final. Okay it's just small things, but the Matches page's Send Offer link will likely become a button. 'Edit Offer' might become 'Edit offer' to stay in line with the rest. Or I'll turn everything to 'Offer'. I'm kind of an annoying perfectionist. I've also added some CSS to vertically align your screenshots, should look better.
Just a details - Support for non-Steam games is staying in, definitely. In the future I'll add the ability to add any game as long as you provide its store URL. Heck I can even do it manually if asked, I'd just need to re-use Barter game IDs that aren't used (there are a few hundreds available.)
PS: I already reserved ID #3000, for the curious. :niark: And yes, I can trade for it. :angel:
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The Noble Talk / Re: 'The Trade is on!'
« on March 24th, 2017, 10:36 AM »
Quick note: yesterday I announced that you could finally add DLC's to your library manually, but I just realized that I forgot to remove my 'user lock' from it (code I added to shield it from public view, like I did with offers previously.)
So I removed that, and you should be able to do it.
Eligible items: everything but Steam games. Because those are added automatically. DLCs aren't always added automatically, so you can add those too.
So I removed that, and you should be able to do it.
Eligible items: everything but Steam games. Because those are added automatically. DLCs aren't always added automatically, so you can add those too.
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The Trader's Clerk / The Beginner's Guide to Lestrade's
« on March 24th, 2017, 08:52 AM »
The Beginner's Guide to Lestrade's
Welcome to Lestrade's.
Given that the website is a work-in-progress, this guide should also be considered a WORK-IN-PROGRESS.
What is Lestrade's?
Lestrade's is a place where you can trade with other members digital games or other tradable items, mostly from the Steam store. You can manage your list of games (tradables i.e. games you have available to trade, wishlist i.e. games you're looking to get, and blacklist i.e. games you don't want to get offers for), and match it with other members lists to create fast trade offers.
You can call the website "Lestrade's" (as in, "I'm trading games at Lestrade's"), "Lestrades.com" (as in, "You should trade with me, check out lestrades.com"), "Lestrades" (as in "I'm too lazy to type everything, please don't kill me"), or "LT" (as in "I'm bad-ass, I'm hoping that'll catch on.")
How to sign in?
Click the green "Sign in with Steam" button on the top left corner to sign in with your Steam account. Your libraries and wishlist will be automatically imported daily from Steam for as long as you're active.
Is there support for games outside Steam?
There is currently very limited support for games that aren't redeemed on Steam.
Note: In the future you will have the ability to add any game as long as you provide its store URL.
I have used Barter.vg in the past. What about my data from there?
Barter.vg is a website with a purpose similar to Lestrade's. LT was actually built as a replacement for Barter when its webmaster disappeared in March 2016. LT was opened officially for business a year later, in late March 2017. The Barter webmaster came back by magic a day later.Damage cont Miracle!
You can visit your Tradables, Wishlist, Blacklist and Library pages and user the 'Import from Barter.vg' button to import each list of your choice separately. If your lists were already imported, you can synchronize them by clicking the 'Compare with Barter.vg' button and using the 'Add all' or 'Remove all' buttons accordingly, or, of course, manually adding/removing all items listed.
Who runs this site?
Created and developed by Nao, aka Lestrade, also responsible for the forum software behind it, Wedge. Hosted by devotee on a pretty fine server located in Paris.
This FAQ was compiled from multiple people, including Nao, joaoarena and BVG.
How do I trade?
What do the items at the top mean?
The Wishlist is a list of items that you would like to trade your tradables for. It is usually synchronized from your Steam wishlist, but you can manually add wishlist items within Lestrades without affecting original Steam wishlist.
The Tradables list is a list of items that you would be willing to exchange for other items in a trade.
The Blacklist is a list of items that you would not want to be offered to you on a trade.
The Library is a list of games you own. It is synchronized from your Steam library. You won't receive offers for these games, unless you explicitly ask for them.
How do I set up my item lists?
First, search for the item that you would like to find in the top right search box.
On the item page, and before the item name, you can see some symbols. There will be no symbols if you do not have the item on your Library, Wishlist, Tradables or Blacklist.
Symbols:
To reverse the action, just click the button again.
How do I send offers?
After signing in and managing your Tradables and Wishlist, use the Matches page to find members with your wishlisted items, and that have on their wishlists your tradables.
From the list of matches, you can click the "Send Offer" link next to the other member name to make your offer, or you click the member name to find out more about him on his profile page.
Select the items that you would like to offer on each side, and then click on preview button.
If you have more than one item offered on each side, adjust the quantity of the tradables on each side.
When you finish adjusting your offer, click the "Send offer" button. The other member will receive a notification with your offer (as well as an e-mail if they entered one; these users have the mention 'can be notified' on match pages, you should contact them in priority.)
Wait for a response. The Notifications system will notify you of an affirmative or negative response.
If the other user accepts the offer contact the user, usually through PM (Personal Message at Lestrade's) or Steam, to exchange items. You have a link to their Steam profile on their LT profile.
Where can I know the status of an offer?
You can see Offers and their statuses on the Offers page.
Status can be:
How can I edit an offer I have already sent?
Go to your Offers page and click the status of the offer that you would like to edit.
You can only edit offers that are Pending or Unread.
On offer page, click the edit offer button.
Edit your offer as you would normally do. Then click "send the offer" button to change the offer.
Are there trading rules and etiquette?
How can I avoid being scammed?
Trades that occur outside of the Steam trading window carry a risk that can be minimized:
How do others value their items? How can I make fair offers?
People value their games in different ways. Here are some common measures of a game's worth accepted by many users:
Miscellaneous
How do I prevent other users from sending me e-mail messages?
You can change your e-mail settings in Profile -> Account Settings -> Uncheck Allow users to email me.
How do I search the forum?
https://lestrades.com/search
Why are game ratios so different from Barter's?
1/ Different sites, different user bases -- although similar, there will obviously be differences.
2/ Unlike Barter, Lestrade's reflects the total user base ratios (active + unactive traders).
In game pages however, you can see both types of ratio: where users are listed, it indicates the number of active users versus total users, so for instance if you see "Tradables10/30 Wishlist120/250", it means a 10:120 (active users) and 30:250 (total users).
3/ Unlike Barter, if an item is only traded by one person and wished by 100, it'll have a ratio of 5:10 if the owner has 5 copies available, i.e. their copy says 'x5'.
If there are any questions any other that should be answered here, please post them on the thread below.
Welcome to Lestrade's.
Given that the website is a work-in-progress, this guide should also be considered a WORK-IN-PROGRESS.
What is Lestrade's?
Lestrade's is a place where you can trade with other members digital games or other tradable items, mostly from the Steam store. You can manage your list of games (tradables i.e. games you have available to trade, wishlist i.e. games you're looking to get, and blacklist i.e. games you don't want to get offers for), and match it with other members lists to create fast trade offers.
You can call the website "Lestrade's" (as in, "I'm trading games at Lestrade's"), "Lestrades.com" (as in, "You should trade with me, check out lestrades.com"), "Lestrades" (as in "I'm too lazy to type everything, please don't kill me"), or "LT" (as in "I'm bad-ass, I'm hoping that'll catch on.")
How to sign in?
Click the green "Sign in with Steam" button on the top left corner to sign in with your Steam account. Your libraries and wishlist will be automatically imported daily from Steam for as long as you're active.
Is there support for games outside Steam?
There is currently very limited support for games that aren't redeemed on Steam.
Note: In the future you will have the ability to add any game as long as you provide its store URL.
I have used Barter.vg in the past. What about my data from there?
Barter.vg is a website with a purpose similar to Lestrade's. LT was actually built as a replacement for Barter when its webmaster disappeared in March 2016. LT was opened officially for business a year later, in late March 2017. The Barter webmaster came back by magic a day later.
You can visit your Tradables, Wishlist, Blacklist and Library pages and user the 'Import from Barter.vg' button to import each list of your choice separately. If your lists were already imported, you can synchronize them by clicking the 'Compare with Barter.vg' button and using the 'Add all' or 'Remove all' buttons accordingly, or, of course, manually adding/removing all items listed.
Who runs this site?
Created and developed by Nao, aka Lestrade, also responsible for the forum software behind it, Wedge. Hosted by devotee on a pretty fine server located in Paris.
This FAQ was compiled from multiple people, including Nao, joaoarena and BVG.
How do I trade?
What do the items at the top mean?
The Wishlist is a list of items that you would like to trade your tradables for. It is usually synchronized from your Steam wishlist, but you can manually add wishlist items within Lestrades without affecting original Steam wishlist.
The Tradables list is a list of items that you would be willing to exchange for other items in a trade.
The Blacklist is a list of items that you would not want to be offered to you on a trade.
The Library is a list of games you own. It is synchronized from your Steam library. You won't receive offers for these games, unless you explicitly ask for them.
How do I set up my item lists?
First, search for the item that you would like to find in the top right search box.
On the item page, and before the item name, you can see some symbols. There will be no symbols if you do not have the item on your Library, Wishlist, Tradables or Blacklist.
Symbols:
- 📚 Stack of Books - Library
- ★ Star - Wishlist
- ⇄ Arrows - Tradables
- ☠ Pirate flag - Blacklist
To reverse the action, just click the button again.
How do I send offers?
After signing in and managing your Tradables and Wishlist, use the Matches page to find members with your wishlisted items, and that have on their wishlists your tradables.
From the list of matches, you can click the "Send Offer" link next to the other member name to make your offer, or you click the member name to find out more about him on his profile page.
Select the items that you would like to offer on each side, and then click on preview button.
If you have more than one item offered on each side, adjust the quantity of the tradables on each side.
When you finish adjusting your offer, click the "Send offer" button. The other member will receive a notification with your offer (as well as an e-mail if they entered one; these users have the mention 'can be notified' on match pages, you should contact them in priority.)
Wait for a response. The Notifications system will notify you of an affirmative or negative response.
If the other user accepts the offer contact the user, usually through PM (Personal Message at Lestrade's) or Steam, to exchange items. You have a link to their Steam profile on their LT profile.
Where can I know the status of an offer?
You can see Offers and their statuses on the Offers page.
Status can be:
- Unread - offer has not been seen yet.
- Pending - offer was seen, but the user has made no decision yet.
- Accepted - offer has been accepted.
- Declined - offer has been rejected.
- Half Completed - offer was marked as completed by one of both traders.
- Completed - Offer was marked as completed by both traders.
- Canceled - Offer was canceled.
How can I edit an offer I have already sent?
Go to your Offers page and click the status of the offer that you would like to edit.
You can only edit offers that are Pending or Unread.
On offer page, click the edit offer button.
Edit your offer as you would normally do. Then click "send the offer" button to change the offer.
Are there trading rules and etiquette?
- Remember that the person that you're trading with is a person. Be nice. Don't be rude, demanding or condescending.
- Users with a lower reputation statistic usually send their item(s) first in a trade that occurs outside of the Steam trading window. Remember: trading this way is risky. Therefore, trading with users that have little to no reputation carries a lot of risk.
How can I avoid being scammed?
Trades that occur outside of the Steam trading window carry a risk that can be minimized:
- If you are just starting out, it is advisable to trade with users of high(er) reputation first, or offer trades that can be completed within the Steam trading window.
- If you don't know the trader very well, start by trading 1:1 first, instead of a lot of games at the same time.
- If an offer is too good to be true, it likely is.
How do others value their items? How can I make fair offers?
People value their games in different ways. Here are some common measures of a game's worth accepted by many users:
- The Have/Want ratio for a game:
This describes how many people have the game, and how many people want it. The more people that have the game, and the less people want it, the lower the value. On the other hand, if 2 people have a game and 100 users have wishlisted, the game has a higher value than a game that 100 people have in their Tradable list and only 2 people want. - The bundle price for a game (or the price per game):
Steam keys are very often sold in packs with other games, called "bundles." Popular bundle sites include Humble Bundle, Bundle Stars, Indie Gala, and Groupees. Often, people will divide the number of items in the bundle by the bundle's price to get the price-per-game. Obviously, a game that was in a $1 bundle with 2 others (making the price-per-game $1/3=$0.33) is worth less than a game that was in a $12 bundle with 5 other games (making the price-per-game $12/6=$2). - The current price on other marketplaces:
Some traders use the prices of the item(s) offered in marketplaces like Steam or G2A as a baseline. - The sentimental/gameplay value of the game to a specific user:
Some users value a game produced by a well known studio more than an indie game, or a game rated higher (using the Steam review system, for example) than lower.
Miscellaneous
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Why are game ratios so different from Barter's?
1/ Different sites, different user bases -- although similar, there will obviously be differences.
2/ Unlike Barter, Lestrade's reflects the total user base ratios (active + unactive traders).
In game pages however, you can see both types of ratio: where users are listed, it indicates the number of active users versus total users, so for instance if you see "Tradables10/30 Wishlist120/250", it means a 10:120 (active users) and 30:250 (total users).
3/ Unlike Barter, if an item is only traded by one person and wished by 100, it'll have a ratio of 5:10 if the owner has 5 copies available, i.e. their copy says 'x5'.
If there are any questions any other that should be answered here, please post them on the thread below.
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The Noble Talk / Re: 'The Trade is on!'
« on March 24th, 2017, 07:56 AM »
Well yes it's the exact same way as on barter... X out of y trades are probably responsible for half of the time wasted on coding the system, because I had to refactor the data base to accommodate for them.
I would like to comment on that screenshot and officially complain that I haven't received a single offer tonight (I really *do* have to do all the work eh?).
All work and no play makes Lestrade a full boy.
You don't want my impression of 'here's Johnny', I tell ya. Now start sending me some nice fair offers or birthday gifts to motivate me :P
Ps: https://lestrades.com/matches/?u=638
PPS: really need to work on improving those URLs...
I would like to comment on that screenshot and officially complain that I haven't received a single offer tonight (I really *do* have to do all the work eh?).
All work and no play makes Lestrade a full boy.
You don't want my impression of 'here's Johnny', I tell ya. Now start sending me some nice fair offers or birthday gifts to motivate me :P
Posted: March 24th, 2017, 07:46 AM
Ps: https://lestrades.com/matches/?u=638
PPS: really need to work on improving those URLs...